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What do you think about $3b Lumbini Project? What could be your suggestion on this project?

Posted by Ram Kumar Shrestha on November 3, 2011

This discussion question was raised in Nepal Development Forum and the full discussion is posted here for readers’ information.

What do you think about 3 billion dollar Lumbini Project? What could be your suggestion on this project?

If you are not aware about this project visit:http://ramkshrestha.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/what-happened-to-the-dream-of-a-buddhist-mecca/ and http://ramkshrestha.wordpress.com/2011/07/16/the-lumbini-project-chinas-3-billion-for-buddhism/ and also available in http://completenepal.wordpress.com/ andhttps://worldamity.wordpress.com/

3 months ago

Govinda ThapaBhavana Rana and 3 others like this

35 comments

Govinda ThapaBhavana Rana and 3 others like this

35 comments

Pramod Shrestha • This amount should be considered as a big opportunity . First of all, there is no doubt, we will be utilized in developing infrastructures, hospitality. International Airprt, high class hotel and services will be among them. Everyone knows the concept is to develop Lumbini as a buddhist pilgrim city with all modern facilities for guest. We should be a

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Ramesh Chandra Adhikari • Very exciting and necessary project to enhance our tourism business.

There will be so many obstacles in implementation. By the result we wont get outcome within time frame and with good quality. If any project does not complete with designed quality within desired time frame that project will not be considered as successful project.There may arise vested interests from different groups like local community, political parties and so many others in extended time. So if the project starts we may need to spend some time to be as watch dog for constructing agency and aware local community not to obstacle the project.As we are aware that these days most of our big projects have been affected mostly by local communities and groups.To discourage them our input may be needed.I think in this context we can contribute something from our side.

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Ram Kumar Shrestha • This is the comment from Kapilvastu Day Movement blog ( link:https://worldamity.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/another-chinese-foundation-plans-to-raise-3b-to-make-lumbini-magnet-for-buddhists/#comment-968) for you kind information: Suman said

June 25, 2011 at 10:22 am
…. …..$3b project in Nepal…..it is a huge amount…..fast trains and Buddhist’s main holy place……oh! Tourism ….development….
This is called a DEAL…..!!!! thanks to every body who made such big effort……
$3B is a huge amount…..i am working in $3b project……making new city project…..so I know how big this amount is……..all Nepalese will know…..power of money and instant change….
Hope we can make WORLD’s BEST tourist place on earth…..we need more such big projects……in the future…..

3 months ago

Govinda Thapa • I am extremely positive towards this proposal. Neither we nor any other friendly country or international agency could do it more than last half century. China has been providing billions of dollar to Africa and other countries. China on the otherhand has not any territorial interest in Nepal. While India does not hesitate to claim Lumbini of its own and in fact it has been doing so also. Therefore, if China comes forward to develop Lumbini as a modern Buddhist hub like Mecca Madina for muslims and Vetican for christians, we should welcome it without any hitch.

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Ram Kumar Shrestha • Yes Govindajee, India faking Lumbini and if you have not gone through this clip pls have a look: https://worldamity.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/duplicate-kapilvastu2/ Government is responsible to deal with this issue, but government is not serious with its duties and, hence, Kapilvastu Day Movement was started. Even after submitting letter to the Prime Minister (https://worldamity.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/petition-to-p/) government doing nothing. May be soon the Movement will submit another letter to the government. This $3b project is, therefore, very important to catalyze dismissing the misinformation created by India.

3 months ago

Rajendra UPRETI • Yes, India is faking Lumbini, people living in the boarder area are suffering; as Chadkya says ‘your neighbour is your enemy but your neighbour neighbour is your friend’ ; We are under such situation due to our poor political mechanism that India can say anything..!! regarding the project in Lumbini.. Look at Pashupati Nath Area Development Fund; amount of money and amount of work; Everyone is corrupted in this country.. and Lumbini with this fund makes another example.. and I reckon that one day; India will come up with such Evidence that prove Buddha was born there because of our carelessness then we have lost a lot especially while Department of Archaeology was sleeping and rich countries know the value. No one has seen the history but the evidence prove and we are so incompetent to preserve anything that we have.

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Ram Kumar Shrestha • Friends who are not aware about Kapilvastu Day Movement these links could be beneficial (specially first two as they have lots of relevant links):
https://worldamity.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/kdm/http://ramkshrestha.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/buddha-lumbini-and-fake-lumbini/http://completenepal.wordpress.com/2010/12/30/bfbs-mulbato/

3 months ago

Govinda Thapa • In this case GON will not be the implementing agency. China will not give the money to the hand of Nepalese authorities. They are very clear on the fact that Nepalese may misuse the fund. So they themselves will develop the area by using their own money. So there is no chance of misuse of money by Nepalis. But the problem is that India will create problem in one way or the other to prevent this project from being materialized. They will even try their best to topple this government, which is positive to this project and place the government that serves Indian interests. Media is reporting that India has already raised its eyebrow about this project. Be sure that India will not remain quiet without disturbing it. They will not allow China to come closer to the Border.

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Sita Bhandari • Amicable step from china…Definitely, will open up huge tourism avenue in Nepal as an attractive tourist destination …though the project may have some complications but will be a landmark for the prosperity of Nepal on its completion..May be wise if we plan proactively for other opportunity we can trap therein…

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Ram Kumar Shrestha • @Rajendra Upreti: Undoubtedly government must be responsible in this kind of issue, however; we know the situation of the country and we sincere intellectual and general people are doing governments job as we love our country. If our government did these jobs, we could not be here. We are optimistic and we are here. In this internet epoch we also can do a lot. For example, google used to show India while searching Buddha’s birthplace in google, but this is already history:https://worldamity.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/google-corrected-its-mistake-breaking-news/and this is due to our effort. Lots of good things happening this year and India can do nothing even faking Lumbini spending billions rupees. Pls go through these links:https://worldamity.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/the-new-draft-shows-china%E2%80%99s-desire-to-improve-ties-with-nepal-through-its-heritage-institutions/ (about Buddha circuit),https://worldamity.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/survey-begins-at-birth-place-of-buddha-in-lumbini/ (Research project through UNESCO with Japanese fund),https://worldamity.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/lumbini-project-agreement/ (Agreement of the project). All the neighboring countries are not happy with India due to its strategies and China is coming with new strategies and we Nepali have to take advantage from this.
@Govinda Thapa: Yes you are right and India is coming with new strategy:https://worldamity.wordpress.com/2011/07/10/buddhist-center/
@Sita Bhandari: Yes I fully agree with you. There are more than 50 crore Buddhist and if we could bring just 0.1% of them to Lumbini more than 5 lakh tourist will be there every year and our strategy must be focused to keep them there as long as possible and that is possible through Meditation packages. Foreigners are happy to do meditation in Nepal rather than in other countries.

And also I would like to request to suggest us your points you want us to include in the letter to submit to the Prime Minister as we are planning to submit soon and already drafted. If you would like to suggest us you could write to me in omram2002@gmail.com

3 months ago

Purushottam G. Ranjitkar • Yes, I will definitely say go ahead. This, of course, will create a new era on that region. Huge potential for tourism, Center for Buddhist pilgrims, come up with new city, new international airport and many more… These all will bring new jobs and prosperity on that region.

Again if we are not doing our stuff, why to border the works others are doing. Here in this case everyone is concern about the work that India is doing with relates to Buddha. Let them do it. I think we have to concentrate on our side. Make the things better in our side. Make your garden greener than neighbor.. all will talk about your garden, not theirs.

We have to be optimist on our strengths.

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Indra Dhakal • Good proposal,but this ………….. billions of dollar. As India is claiming Lumbini of its own and in fact it has been doing so. Therefore, if China comes forward to develop Lumbini as a modern Buddhist Place ……….it is a great time that we all Nepali should stand-together to make it happen

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Rajat Rajbhandari, Ph.D., P.E., PMP • Too tempting..hard to resist when somebody gives you free money… we oughta think what does China want out of this “charity”, keeping in mind China is not too lenient about religion (any form of religion)…so why does it want to give so much money “for” religion? ………but here’s a million dollar question, let’s say we do get the money and India doesn’t invade Lumbini, how are we going to maintain 3B dollar investment?…whole damn country’s budget is 5B dollar…

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Ram Kumar Shrestha • Not only with this $3b Lumbini project, we can see something else behind each INGO mission. Either we must not accept other countries’ and INGOs’ help or we need to try our best to maximize the benefits in our favor. We have only these two options. There are many Nepalese heading some INGOs in Nepal. In one special place INGO chiefs meet regularly, however; INGO chiefs headed by Nepalese are not allowed to be there. Why? Very clear. We know advantages and disadvantages of bilateral, multilateral and INGO support. So either we must reject all of them or try to maximize their help in our side. Definitely this $3b Lumbini project also not exceptional and we all aware about India and China’s goal in the present world. And this project could be the part of diplomacy. Both these countries have their own way of diplomacy. It could be better to take advantage from these two countries’ situation and goal in the present world.

3 months ago

Madhu Bishwakarma • Opportunity and Aid come with even more challenges and dilemmas. There is an article published in Today’s Kantipur and Naya Patrika that there are so many fake things on the fund. Even the HQ address given on the website of the donors is fake, Organization’s steering committee members are unaware on the purpose and objective behind the fund. It can be anticipated that in the name of Buddha and Lumbini, lots of his pupils will get opportunity to earn money. Another corruption case like “Sudan Scam” is about to begin.

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Ram Kumar Shrestha • Yes in the last couple of days we can see this kind of news, however; we can not fully rely on our media. There could be politics behind this. This does not mean that I am blindly behind that project. We everybody know the situation of our country (regarding our leaders and media) and we can notice that all big media are not being bold in patriotic issue like our leaders. Who knows just for that kind of news they are earning lots of money. Please go through this link as well:https://worldamity.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/lumbini-project-agreement/

3 months ago

Bishnu Adhikari • Lumbini Project is a big step forward. We appreciate all that has been done by the one who started few decades ago. However, there was need for lengthening your stride. This new injection possibility opens up new opportunities. Obviously, I can smell some regional politic in it, but there is no need to be worried of that it will teach us to become better players on the ground. We must not discard such opportunities rather grab them and manage wisely, learn and grow. I welcome the initiation !

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Ram Kumar Shrestha • @Bishnu Adhikari: I agree with you. We must take advantage from two big countries. These days we saw news first in Indian papers and then in Nepali papers that trying to create negative psychology of the project. Before that we noticed lots of news about the project in many International medias. We can not assure but can imagine the attitude of news appeared in latest days. Anyway this could be bit balanced article: http://ramkshrestha.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/china-nepali-politics-lumbini/#more-14473

3 months ago

Tikaram (Tika) Adhikari • This seems an important project and it would open a good possibility of Nepal’s development. I would like to share few ideas that could help enrich this project. First of all, I would like to suggest involvement of local communities in planning, implementation and review of programs as equal partners that has a potential for ensuring sustainability and increase ownership of the project. People have ideas on how to prioritize, organize and get things moving based on their knowledge of the places they live and work most of the time. The use of this local knowledge is tool of empowering communities and at the same time increasing their responsibilities for leading the project tasks. We also need to increase meaningful partnership among donors, local and national government, local communities and the civil society and NGOs working in the area. This will ensure sustainability of the initiatives and keep resources flowing within the community spearheading other initiatives and efforts through promotion of local enterprises.

Govinda Thapa • Now the said company has been sorounded by serious controversy. It should come clean and everything should be open and transparent. It should be credible also. Lumbini is our invaluable asset and we can develop it whenever the environment becomes conducive if its ownership remains with us. Therefore, we should be careful enough about if some one comes just to grab it and hold it barring others to come in. So let us ask the said company to prove its credibility.

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Hari Gurung • It’s kind of mysterious. I did little bit of Googling and it’s difficult to confirm the story. Even the national paper The Rising Nepal doesn’t give a conclusive news. So what’s the truth? Can anyone give an authentic news? I had earlier, at least more than a month ago, one of the ministers had said there is no such project which involved the Chonese NGO and the UN. Is this new version of the story? There seems to be no UN in the equation. Hari

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Sugat Ratna Kansakar • All above discussions point out to few conclusions:- Lumbini is not only nationally important place, but also globally significant religious center. There is no way that government of Nepal can spent few billion dollars in near future to develop it to Mecca. Vatican City, Taj Mahal, Effil Tower standard. So, if some donor country or donor agency or a Buddhism fanatic offers to spend billions of dollar in the project, government of Nepal and people of Nepal should welcome it without raising any eyebrows, even if it is misterious or politically sensitive or attached with some simple strings or if it creates serious controversy. Of course, it is the duty of Prime Minister, foreign minister and high officials in foreign ministry to manage “foreign relation” if India, China, USA and European countries have difference of opinion in this mega-project, which will directly and indirectly help in upliftment of living standard of 27 million population.

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Anjan Duwadi • This is the great opportunity for Nepal.

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<img src=”http://static02.linkedin.com/scds/common/u/img/icon/icon_no_photo_80x80.png” alt=”” width=”80″ height=”80″ data-li-comment-text=”I receive an e-mail from a friend. You can analyze the decentralization, interest, transparency, accountability and impartiality of UN practices and interest of Nepali Prime Minister.From: Kul Gautam
Subject: FW: Lumbini – unido china official reprimanded
To:
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 2:45 AM

fyi, the message below is from the number 2 person at unido – the deputy director-general – who is an old friend and colleague of mine formerly with unicef. please note that the the chinese director of unido in beijing has apparently been reprimanded for entering into unauthorized agreement with apecf, and that the nepalese permanent representative to the u.n. in geneva has been officially advised by unido. kul g——————–Kul Chandra Gautamwww.kulgautam.orge-mail: kulgautam@hotmail.com ============================
> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 07:48:25 +0200> From: Y.Uramoto@unido.org> To: kulgautam@hotmail.com> CC: kulgautam@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Lumbini> > Hi Kul. We have written a letter to the PM of Nepal in Geneva informing of the actions taken by us. They include: press release and letter to APECF informing that the MOU and project document is not valid. Hence the MOU does not exist. > Director of our Investment Promotion Office funded by Chinese Government has bee reprimanded. We have received a reply from PM of Nepal in Geneva word of appreciation for a quick action as the director did not follow the rule. > > Hope this make you happy. I heard that you are in Malaysia. Hoping to see you in tHe near future.> > All the best,> > Yoshi> > Sent from my iPad> > On 21 Aug 2011, at 13:34, “URAMOTO, Yoshiteru” wrote:> > > Hi Kul. I have personally looked into the issue as soon as the issue has been taken up by some major media. Good to hear from you. We are tying to terminate the MOU and the project. I am on mission now and need to follow up and get back to you soon. More to report. Best Yoshi> > > > Yoshiteru Uramoto> > Deputy to Director General> > UNIDO Vienna Austria> > > > Partner for Prosperity> > > > Sent from my iPhone>” data-li-editable=”false” data-li-edit-sec-left=”900″ data-li-time=”” />

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BIshnu Gyawali • I receive an e-mail from a friend. You can analyze the decentralization, interest, transparency, accountability and impartiality of UN practices and interest of Nepali Prime Minister.

From: Kul Gautam <kulgautam@hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: Lumbini – unido china official reprimanded
To:
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 2:45 AM

fyi, the message below is from the number 2 person at unido – the deputy director-general – who is an old friend and colleague of mine formerly with unicef. please note that the the chinese director of unido in beijing has apparently been reprimanded for entering into unauthorized agreement with apecf, and that the nepalese permanent representative to the u.n. in geneva has been officially advised by unido. kul g——————–Kul Chandra Gautamwww.kulgautam.orge-mail: kulgautam@hotmail.com ============================
> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 07:48:25 +0200> From: Y.Uramoto@unido.org> To: kulgautam@hotmail.com> CC: kulgautam@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Lumbini> > Hi Kul. We have written a letter to the PM of Nepal in Geneva informing of the actions taken by us. They include: press release and letter to APECF informing that the MOU and project document is not valid. Hence the MOU does not exist. > Director of our Investment Promotion Office funded by Chinese Government has bee reprimanded. We have received a reply from PM of Nepal in Geneva word of appreciation for a quick action as the director did not follow the rule. > > Hope this make you happy. I heard that you are in Malaysia. Hoping to see you in tHe near future.> > All the best,> > Yoshi> > Sent from my iPad> > On 21 Aug 2011, at 13:34, “URAMOTO, Yoshiteru” <Y.Uramoto@unido.org> wrote:> > > Hi Kul. I have personally looked into the issue as soon as the issue has been taken up by some major media. Good to hear from you. We are tying to terminate the MOU and the project. I am on mission now and need to follow up and get back to you soon. More to report. Best Yoshi> > > > Yoshiteru Uramoto> > Deputy to Director General> > UNIDO Vienna Austria> > > > Partner for Prosperity> > > > Sent from my iPhone>

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Sugat Ratna Kansakar • Looks this Lumbini/ACPEF is too intrigueing to digest, better we leave it to Govt of Nepal. But at least we, all intellectuals should conclude that Lumbini needs to be developed in a grand manner.

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Pradeep Adhikari • I am very skeptical about this project. I would like to draw your attention to Nepal’s geopolitics. Please remember the situation of the previous BIG projects in Nepal including Pancheshwor! At the moment talking about it is nothing more than a propaganda.

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BIshnu Gyawali • Let me analyze the mail. The Deputy Director General of UNIDO has taken initiation to make happy his old friend, ignoring the norms and value of UN procedures. You may aware that there was big debate in CA house regarding this project and a high level of investigation commission was formed with 16 CA members, chaired by Rt Hon Subash Chandra Newang. But the then Rt Hon Jhala Nath Khanal has took action not awaiting the commission report as he feels not benefited from this project, which was never came in public (I have not heard about the letter from PM to UNIDO).

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Hari P. Regmi • Let us stop this seemingly non-fruit bearing deliberation.

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Hari Gurung • I agree with Hari Regmi. It’s not worth discussing. One thing we need to note is that when “A THING IS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, IT’S NOT TRUE.” I think the $3bn story is too good to be true. the questions to ask – Why would an NGO like to invest $3bn in Nepal and in return for what, i.e. what would they gain?

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Ram Kumar Shrestha • It could be better not to be superficial on this issue. Even from news we can clearly see that some powerful countries are trying to play in their own way. Why UNIDO headquarters wanted to take action against Chinese representative and UNIDO headquarters could not do so? Even from above email part we can see very important UN persons are involved to communicate each other in this issue. Why that time Nepal government spoke against the project? We can easily guess. Neither this 3 billion dollar project totally fake nor took complete shape. This is under process and powerful countries are trying to play their role in their capacity. And we Nepali must play important role to give the project concrete shape.

1 month ago

Thomas Bjørn Tingstrup • Dream on. this will not have ANY impact on the tourism AT ALL or in best case: just a little.

The people who visit Lumbini go there because their religion tells them so. NOT BECAUSE OF HOTELS, AIRPORTS etc. Just like the Muslims that have to go to Mekka…

The donation is just the Chinese way to tighten its grib on Nepal AND the Nepali politicians… the latter will definitely get their share of the donation…

BTW
being a Buddhist it was a HUGE disappointment t visit Lumbini. NO AMBIENCE AT ALL. Only Indian weekend tourist making a lot of noice, throwing waste every where and treating the place like Disneyland. Kapilavistu on the contrary has all the spirituality you can dream of. And that the place that turned prince Sidharta in to what he became… focus on that spot…

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Sugat Ratna Kansakar • Mr. Tingstrup has raised an important issue- Lumbini project offer may be “the Chinese way to tighten its grip on Nepal and the Nepali politicians”. In case it is true, the question for the nation is how to solve this grave problem. When USA and European countries think twice to “talk tough” with economic giant China, it will be foolisheness for any government in Nepal to show anger to China. One solution will be to discard neutral equi-distant foreign policy, and completely align with USA and India, and deliberately make China angry. We can only hope that bureaucrats in foreign ministry will take care of this type of DHARMA SANKAT, and come up with win-win-win-win (Nepal-India-China-USA) solution. Regarding Mr. Tingstrup’s other comment that Lumbini Master Plan may not help to increase religious tourists and no need for hotels and airports in Lumbini, personally I just could not digest it.

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BIshnu Gyawali • APECF is trying to make transparent in first instance as the responsibility of service provider amongst Intergovernmental and INGO in Nepal. Hope the clouds in the sky will clear in the path of Lumbini Development.
http://www.myrepublica.com/portal/index.php?action=news_details&news_id=35965

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Ram Kumar Shrestha • Analyzing all the news related to this megha project, it is clear that this is not fake. It could take time, but sooner or later it will happen. In an international magazine “The Economist” more than 1000 comments and specially few participants’ participation very active. If you will have time to go through it, here is the link:http://www.economist.com/node/21526389/comments

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